Sorry, couldn't just lurk anymore with such rampant stupidity continuing to spawn.

Originally by: Lag

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Why have a service running that constantly checks for skill completions when the routine could be performed with a trigger such as loading the My Character page or Character information in-game?

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Did you ever notice that while you are in game you get informed when a skill changes? The purpose of that should be obvious. This also makes it painfully obvious that there is some form of heartbeat check for skill completions.

So please spare us your novice attempts at debugging things that apparently exceed your powers of observation.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Refers to moderated post - Mitnal

Hey, stop screwing up my forum tags when you moderate me - Shar Tegral

Originally by: The Ubernomicon

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The only reason you don't want that image displayed is that it is makes light of CCP's terrible customer service and the recent direction they have been going.

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Every time I've seen that image I've reported it. It breaks the forums - I use disabled software to assist me in reading the forums. Also it unnecessarily eats up bandwidth that I don't care to share with you. (You do know that metered service exists in many locations yes?)

That being said, I lol'd the first time I saw it. That's the only lol you got. Still reported it the first time I saw it and have reported every forum breaking image or post made. And I have read every post so far in both thread-naughts.

Please, to boost my ego, suggest I work for CCP. I don't think you could issue a greater insult to CCP than to make that suggestion.

(They love me even less than the emo-ragers/quitters/trollers.)

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: The Ubernomicon

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CCP added the ability to hide images. I recommend you check your forum settings.

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Originally by: Ha'Uler

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If tiny images and bandwidth usage are so important for you, you should change your settings.

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[sarcasm]
Ah yes, I should go limit myself simply because others can't limit themselves.

A perfect solution.
[/sarcasm]

I love many of the signature banners that people create. Also, many people do share images that provide information and can somehow figure out how to do so without breaking the forums or the forum rules.

So I'll reiterate, why should I diminish who I am simply because others can't seem to maintain any self control or exercise restraint? Mind you if the community had exercised some restraint over subbing it wouldn't have been so heavily farmed in the first place and we wouldn't be here.

Wait, who am I kidding. This community spawns whining like .... ... ...

Damn I can't think of anything to match the quantity of whining this community does.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Zinnn

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Perhaps you didn't read that the china server already got that fix a while back and CCP said it would not be implemented in Tranquility. Well here it is. Your logic = epic fail. No flame intended

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Where did CCP say it would never be implemented? Linkage or it didn't happen.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Zinnn

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Perhaps you didn't read that the china server already got that fix a while back and CCP said it would not be implemented in Tranquility. Well here it is. Your logic = epic fail. No flame intended

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Where did CCP say it would never be implemented? Linkage or it didn't happen.

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Originally by: Zinnn

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Enough people have said so on this forum for it to be fact that they did indeed say it wouldn't happen.

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I'm sending you my medical bills. I laughed so hard at your statement I think I've got a hernia. No flame intended but there a some very simple ("very simple" counts as well) words to describe you if you actually believe rabble when they are rabbling.

I can directly tell you for a fact that you will not find any such statement. Not because CCP is that good at covering up (because let's face it - they ain't) but because I've been here being a thorn in CCP's side wherever they fall short.

Now, stop focusing on what they did and focus on the ineptness of how they did it. What they did was right but overdue. How they did it is the classic CCP screw up.

'Nuff said.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: 10of10

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CCP alt spotted.

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Alt of a moron spotted.

Ooops did I type that outloud?

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Alex Salas

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Linkage

Originally by: Old Patch Notes

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On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.

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Forgive me, I prettied it up for you out of sheer gratitude. Thank you for proving my point. Even the patch notes do not say this change would never be implemented. Just that it was not at that time.

Of course if you are looking for the "one person" who complained about this matter: Linkage. Trust me, I care little about your tears over the matter. Very little at all.

However I am very surprised that so many are disappointed in the PR fiasco by CCP. Guess yall ain't been here long enough to know that CCP does not handle dishing out bad news well. But in fairness to CCP, this community can be a bunch of whining little momma boys (& girls) at the best of times.

This ain't the best of times though.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Ayrion Centare

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I never got into any other MMOs because I have a life and I simply can't dedicate the time necessary to grind up a powerful end-game character.

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If you think you need to spend a lot of time playing Eve to get a powerful end game character you are woefully mistaken. There is no amount of time you can play Eve that will get you to end game content any faster. None, nada, zilch.

Originally by: Ayrion Centare

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The outright lie that ghost training was an unintended bug instead of a feature clearly written in your own player manual is so rude and disrespectful it's insulting.

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Yes, because you are the one rare new player who read the entire manual and said to yourself, "I can deactivate my playing account and get ahead! Woohoo!!" Yeah, suuuuuuure.

And these are the people questioning CCP's credibility in this thread?!? Ha, ha, and triple ha.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Sky Marshal

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The skill system is unfair by nature as it is not work-based, but this is also better as we don't have to play 23/7 each day to have a better character, but we have to wait months and specialize to try to be efficient...

So the Ghost Training let a small equality between paid and unpaid account as this feature help to limit a few the distance between casuals and hardcore games, and reduce the frustration of the player when he would come back of his break.

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This I agree with totally. I've never put down a mate that takes a break and lets a long skill train up. However the truth is that this "privilege" has become an industry. One that apparently does not fit in with CCP's belief of how accomplishment in Eve should be gained.

An unintended aspect (noted as a feature in the past) was abused and the knock-on effect turned an unintended feature into something that CCP called a bug. However I have to be honest, fixing/changing this matters little in the bigger Eve picture.

I've been watching friends leave Eve simply because they are tired of the direction Eve is going. The way this was handled is likely to simply be the last nail for many of them. Period.

Of course the truth is this: People who make plans for Eve more than 2 years from now are dreamers imho. I don't think Eve will be gone by then but it will be a much smaller creature than it is now. CCP will release WoD and push that quite heavily. Tranquility will receive less coding love, less yaarrdware, and eventually less people will be here.

But this outcome is not going to be on account of this change no matter how many whine that it is.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Medusa d'Mon

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You're proving to be an incompetant pro CCP alt.

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Ah, yes. I'm the incompetent one indeed.

Can't you come up with a better troll than "CCP Alt"? You obviously can type so I suspect you have some worthwhile gray matter though from your response I might be wrong.

Of course, of the two of us you are the one with a lifetime achievement of 7 posts and all of them on this topic. Myself, I'm google-able. So who is the alt and truly which one of us admits to incompetence by hiding their main. (An envious little troll at that.)

Perhaps I'll take you more seriously once you exceed 20 days on this alt:

Originally by: Medusa d'Mon

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I've being playing and paying for this game non stop on 2 accounts since EA pulled the plug on EnB and I'm currently on 4 accounts.

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Care to demonstrate some bravery and stop hiding behind your alt or is your main off ghosting.

In closing: Not only do I hope you don't reactivate your ghosting accounts but I'd find some piece of mind if you canceled your subscription all together. Hopefully you'll make room for a better alt troll at the least.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

I figured out why this thread is bugged though. With it accidentally hidden, eve search does not poll it for updates.

A little convenient, hunh?

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Ikaa LoveYums

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120 pages or so and STILL no one at CCP has the balls/guts/backbone to make a response to the ****ed off players that are keeping them in business.

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CCP Response pages and pages back.

Originally by: Ikaa LoveYums

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Way to go you I'm an effing idiot.

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Corrected the target of your flame.

Originally by: Gara Al'Malik

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Start trading. Then there is no need to grind for isk, minerals or standings and you can get rich with market pvp. That is one thing that I love about eve, since I'm not a big fan of grinding either.

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This.

BTW if you look to the left you will find the Advertised Features and the Player Guide are kept very separate. One is a list of all the things CCP promises to provide you. The other is the list of things that are possible in the game. That is while still possible.

Here ends today's lesson on using bullshit for debates.

Tomorrow's lesson - "those that pay get to vote; those that don't, who f-ing cares."

Originally by: Counter Spy

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Isiam using an alt to post drivel

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So far you've used 3 different toons to post on this board. Just how many accounts are you running and how badly did killing ghost training hurt your toon farming activities?

That's besides the point I guess, your question;

Originally by: Counter Spy

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If someone not playing, but paying why ticking the account clock ? The customer pay for nothing when he is not online ?

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CCP productions sells to you the right to connect to their virtual servers for roughly 23 hours per day, 7 days per week, for the monthly time cycle you have purchased. (Barring maintenance and upgrade time like any standard provider.)

CCP can not, legally, invade your privacy to find out why you did not log in. Thus CCP can not refund you time where you felt like "getting laid" instead of "playing Eve". (In your case that might be misleading though). All CCP can do is honor its side of its to make the servers available.

If you do not partake of that opportunity, your legal right to decide for whatever reasons you have.

Originally by: Shar Tegral

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If you do not partake of that opportunity, your legal right to decide for whatever reasons you have.

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Here's a test you can try out if you don't live with your parents. Go away for a month. When you come back please tell us what your landlord said about not paying him the rent since you weren't there.

More importantly, go ahead... move all your stuff into storage somewhere and try not being at your apartment for a month and not paying rent.

Can you wonder what your landlord will say then?

The same damn thing.

Originally by: Midas Man

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You run off to find your furnishing list and see a line has been added next to TV saying "Landlord retains the right to revoke this option at any time"

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Difference between Features and Guide.

In CCP's case, the tv was left there. Accident, small present, who cares. You then decided to go blaring it all hours of the night and abusing a privilege that was not yours... the landlord took the tv.

Now, you have the right to be ****ed off if the landlord didn't tell you he was going into your flat. However every landlord reserves the right to enter for work, modification, and/or recovery of his property.

Of course if you like you can litigate the matter or, if you don't have any leg to stand on, you can stand outside your flat screaming and whining about how the world has done you wrong and woah's me.

Please, continue to cry your big alligator tears about budget and life and constraints. Saves me going to the threatres and paying Hollywood for a bullshit sob story. But the truth is that the good players got hurt not by what CCP did, or even how they did it, but by the fact that other players defaced a game mechanic from rampant abuse.

I do alot of api auditing for the Eve equivalent of "wall street". I see some of the abuse CCP is talking about on a regular basis. It is the reason I brought the matter up to the CSM board back in June.

Responsible adults know that if something is free but being sucked dry, it disappears. Children only know, I had it, it is gone, <wail>.

Simple really.
Much like yourself.

Originally by: Midas Man

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oh and by the way Copy and Pasting intullectual information from Wiki doesn't make you smart.

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It appears reading is not your strong suit. The link did not go to any Wiki.

Self pwnzor 4tl.

Originally by: Hun Jakuza

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Oh no another two CCP alt like
Gara Al'Malik and Shar Tegral

<snip>

Hey dudes your bad thinking will be ruin the EVE.
And you guys will be stay alone in the game, but that's will just a black cat for 14.99$

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Yes, you found me out. Somehow for 6 years I've hidden the fact that I work for CCP. Damn, you are such a genius to see through my clever disguise.

Might I ask, what part of Eve have you improved? I know what aspects I've had a hand in improving.. and the latest one is the one making you cry. Please, whine/troll on, you only make me prouder of the fact that I had a hand in it.

Maybe I will apply to CCP... when hell freezes over of course but thanks for insulting CCP that way!

Originally by: Rethie

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When reading up before subscription, considering all my cost of living etc, the thing that eventually made me sub was inactive training, for the fact of real life commitments, at least if I could not sub, I could come back and with some pre planning, have advanced a level on something.

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As a parent of someone who has their majority (which I lose sleep at night about!) I can only say that I'm glad CCP has encouraged you to be more insightful about what luxuries you spend your meager income on. After all, you should be discouraged from making bad fiscal choices that overextend you or your available time.

Bully for you mate, welcome to the adult club.

Originally by: Hun Jakuza

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No, we hate the gaylentes, so we dont go to adult club. :D

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Where are all the good men?
They already have boyfriends!

For a girl the are real slim pickings when looking for a man with class, cleanliness, and intelligence. So I'm happy them gaylentes are around.

(Female toon, I'm not female.)

Originally by: Grismar

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I can only agree with the decision to fix it in the first place, it's a stupid feature and only supports RMT character farming. But I think it's just plain stupid to have waited this long.

<snip>

After all, we buy the games of other greedy capitalists that are only after our money too. I'm going to go with 'lazy' and 'unwise' all the same.

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This.

Nice to see one of the good ones still around as well. I still use explorer regularly mate.

Originally by: Shar Tegral

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(Female toon, I'm not female.)

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Ahhh got you so your one of these internet pervs who pretends to be a young girl to prey on other unsuspecting young girls. There are alot on the internet but atleast we unveiled 1

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Man, you've got a real emo-flame thing going on here. Did I steal your girlfriend in another life or something? Having a female avatar makes me a pervert. Wow, with logic like that I can now see why you choose not to get it.

Of course there is a reason I have a female avatar other than perversion (you should see someone about that) that was explained over a year ago.

I now exercise my option of <last word> on you. I can only hope you are one of those who unsubs. Might improve the nature of discussion around here without your ... issues... spewing forth.

Originally by: Velda Chulai

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The difference is that in Eve, there is no lost physical space. The "Bus Drivers" leave virtually no footprint of any kind, in fact. The Landlord in this case has lost a lot of rent, and some of the tenants are moving out.

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Bon Voyage!

Originally by: Cutesmile

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Man you are one realy pesky idiot, who cant bear if anyone said truth.

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I enjoyed you calling me an idiot. I mean an NPC corp hugging courier mission running alt is obviously the deliverer of truth.

So sayeth the alts, so sayeth we rabble - rabble.

(Don't these people realize I can't be trolled into getting banned? When I get banned it is because I choose it.)